[sc34wg3] CTM: Realistic use cases or toy examples?

[Lars Marius Garshol]

* Steve Pepper
>
> I reserve the right to raise
> the issue of who our target audience is, and what kind of
> requirements it has. I also reserve the right to state my
> opinion about whose perspective on CTM matches the needs of the
> target audience and why.

To discuss who our target audience is is fine. What is not fine is to  
dismiss the opinions of other people as irrelevant. We are in a pretty  
tense situation here, as you know perfectly well, and ad hominem  
arguments just make it worse, while doing nothing to help us choose  
the best syntax. So while no one can take away your "right" to argue  
destructively, I was hoping that you would rise above it voluntarily.

> I think my posting was absolutely relevant and rereading it I
> find nothing unacceptable in its tone.

I wasn't talking about its tone; I was talking about its content.

> I am trying to get to the bottom of the disagreements and find
> out what the fundamental causes are. If you are not interested
> in that, stop listening, or at least stop trying to sidetrack
> the discussion.

This is my point: to argue whether or not the person writing the CTM  
spec (Lars Heuer) is a representative user is precisely sidetracking  
the discussion. It achieves nothing positive.

If you want a useful discussion, start arguing the merits and demerits  
of the various proposals instead of trying to tell people that they  
are not fit to judge them.

> If you are interested, feel free to disagree with me about my
> view of who the target audience is. *That* would be a useful
> contribution to the discussion.

I do disagree about the target audience, but I don't see the point of  
arguing over it. Sure, arguing that you are not the kind of CTM user  
we should target might be fun, and it would certainly fan the flames,  
but it would not be useful. It's a distraction at best. So I won't.

In short, I think you would do well to drop this line of argument, and  
instead take Patrick's advice about what style of argument to adopt.

--Lars M.