[sc34wg3] Re: Status of TMQL, TMCL and Conceptual Model
Motomu Naito
sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org
Mon, 08 Mar 2004 08:00:34 +0900
Dear Pepper-san, Holman-san,
Thank you for you reply.
I feel I almost understand the status.
Best Regards,
Motomu Naito
At 08:45 04/03/04 -0500, you wrote:
>Thank you for bringing the error in 485 to my attention.
>
>At 2004-03-04 11:25 +0100, Steve Pepper wrote:
>>* Naito-san wrote:
>>
>>| We are confusing about N485 and JTC1 N7367.
>>| May I ask questions about that?
>>
>>Of course. Thank you for bringing this to our
>>attention.
>
>Indeed ... it is always important to ask questions about the committee
>documents, and I encourage everyone on the committee, in every week's
>secretariat report, to ask questions and report any problems.
>
>>| 1. Concerning "18049 - TM Conceptual Model"
>>|
>>| It is described as "restored" in N485?meanwhile it is discribed as "JTC
>>| 1/SC 34 requests approval for the withdrawal ...." in N7367.
>>| What is "restored" mean?
>>| Are "restored" and "withdrawal" the same meaning?
>>
>>No. Not at all. They are almost opposites!
>>
>>18049 should be CANCELLED.
>
>As it is.
>
>>| 2. Concerning "18048 - TM Query Language"
>>|
>>| It is described as "cancelled" in N485.
>>| I think it is problem and we have to recover it.
>>| What kind of procedure can we take to recover it?
>>
>>18048 should be RESTORED.
>
>As it is.
>
>>Ken: Have you just mixed up these two in your database,
>
>It is not mixed up in the database ... if you check the secretariat
>report you'll see that the status of these two projects is as it is
>expected to be.
>
>>or do we have a real problem here?
>
>The problem is with my hand-typing of the meeting agenda and I mixed the
>two up ... the secretariat report is (and should be) definitive, and I'm
>told that even in discrepancies between ISO and the SC34 Secretariat
>Report that SC34 is to be considered correct (they are, after all,
>supposed to reflect what we are doing (so I'm told!)).
>
>> >From JTC 1/N7367 it seems that the correct request has
>>been made to JTC1 (i.e. that 18049 be cancelled), so I
>>hope it is just an error in Ken's local database.
>
>Again, the database is fine (18048 status 20.20, 18049 status 30.98),
>what goes wrong is when I'm typing and *not* using the XML as a basis.
>
>The document 485r1.htm has been uploaded to the web site with the
>repaired typed text. I haven't changed the database as reflected in the
>secretariat report.
>
>>| 3. Concerning "19756 - TM Constraint Language"
>>|
>>| It is described as "automatic 2-year cancellation" in N485.
>>| I think it is problem and we have to prevent the cancellation.
>>| What kind of procedure can we take to prevent it?
>>
>>I don't know. Ken? Is this just a note to make us aware
>>that we are in danger of cancellation?
>
>We can easily revive it through demonstrated activity and stage
>progression in SC resolutions from WG recommendations, or (if necessary) a
>reinstatement ballot that I'll have to go through but hopefully that won't
>be necessary. It appears the ISO has, indeed, cancelled the projects
>through a TMB resolution, but the preamble to the cancellation notices
>indicates the process we need to go through for reinstatement.
>
>>We have produced
>>several documents as part of this project, including a
>>working draft (N408), so there should be no danger of
>>cancellation.
>
>I agree, but what I'm learning is that ISO doesn't appear to check our
>document production, they appear to *only* check our resolutions.
>
>So, I've copied Martin on this for WG1 awareness as well, I'm proposing
>that each WG at each meeting include in their recommendations a list of
>*all* their projects as listed in the Secretariat's Report and each
>project's new status. That will give me the information I need to update
>the Secretariat's Report accurately, and it will be visible in SC34
>Resolutions for ISO to update their status.
>
>An excerpt of the email accompanying the lists of cancelled projects is below.
>
>So, the process for reinstatement is going to take some effort, but it is
>well-defined. I'm going to question them on the 3-month time limits since
>the committee only meets every 6 months.
>
>I'm going to take the text below and make a committee document out of it
>for all to see.
>
>Thanks!
>
>........................... Ken
>
>
>Committee secretariats are responsible for the management of all projects
>(work items) within their work programme, including the monitoring of
>progress against the agreed target dates, as per clause 2.1.6 and 2.1.7 of
>the ISO/IEC Directives Part 1 (4th edition, 2001).
>
>In order to ensure that the market relevance of ongoing work is
>reconfirmed, the TMB has decided that projects which have not progressed
>for two years, or which have not reached publication stage after five
>years, shall be automatically cancelled.
>
>The monthly generated files listed below identify and list projects that
>have either been cancelled or that risk cancellation as per TMB Resolution
>03/2003.
>
>The work items in list 1. reflect the work items which have been
>automatically cancelled by ISO/CS in the last month.
>
>To be reinstated , any work item on this list shall:
>
> * demonstrate stage progression within the 3 months following its
> cancellation; or
> * be submitted to ISO/CS for progression to DIS or FDIS stage
> within the 3 months following its cancellation; or
> * be the subject of a committee resolution justifying market
> relevance, continued P-member participation and revised target dates; or
> * be submitted by the secretariat of the committee concerned, to a
> 3-month reinstatement ballot among P-members of the committee, applying
> the same criteria for justification and approval as for a new work item
> proposal (NP) as per ISO/IEC Directives, Part 1, 2001, 2.3.
>
>The work items in list 2. risk automatic cancellation if they do not
>show stage change within the next 12 months (2-year rule).
>
>The work items in list 3. risk automatic cancellation if they do not
>reach publication stage within the next 12 months (5-year rule).
>
>List 4. is a year-to-date cumulative list of all work items cancelled by
>ISO/CS in the current year.
>
>
>
>--
>
>G. Ken Holman Crane Softwrights Ltd.
>ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34 Secretariat Standards Council of Canada
>Committee correspondence: mailto:jtc1sc34@scc.ca
>Committee website: http://www.y12.doe.gov/sgml/sc34/
>Corporate correspondence: mailto:gkholman@CraneSoftwrights.com
>Corporate website: http://www.CraneSoftwrights.com/a/
>
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