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From sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org Tue Sep 2 21:27:23 2003 From: sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org (Mason, James David (MXM)) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:27:23 -0400 Subject: [sc34wg3] Heads up! SC36 Liaison coming Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C37190.9E1C9B10" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C37190.9E1C9B10 Content-Type: text/plain I just had a conversation with Frank Farrance, Chairman of JTC1/SC36, which deals with applications of IT to education and training.. He's wildly enthusiastic about Topc Maps and wants to promote their use in the SC36 context; he wants to establish better liaison. He plans to discuss this at the next SC36 meeting, at a conference in Korea, and at JTC1 (which meets in Singapore in November: anyone want to go?). (He thinks RDF is next to useless.) Some of the things he's interested in sound very much like asking for the RM in UML notation. Any takers? I expect to hear more from him soon. Jim James David Mason, Ph.D. Y-12 National Security Complex Bldg. 9113, M.S. 8208 P.O. Box 2009 Oak Ridge, TN 37831-8208 U.S.A. +1 865 574 6973 Chairman, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC34 http://www.y12.doe.gov/sgml/sc34/sc34oldhome.htm ------_=_NextPart_001_01C37190.9E1C9B10 Content-Type: text/html Message

I just had a conversation with Frank Farrance, Chairman of JTC1/SC36, which deals with applications of IT to education and training.. He's wildly enthusiastic about Topc Maps and wants to promote their use in the SC36 context; he wants to establish better liaison.

He plans to discuss this at the next SC36 meeting, at a conference in Korea, and at JTC1 (which meets in Singapore in November: anyone want to go?).

(He thinks RDF is next to useless.)

Some of the things he's interested in sound very much like asking for the RM in UML notation. Any takers?

I expect to hear more from him soon.

Jim

James David Mason, Ph.D.

Y-12 National Security Complex
Bldg. 9113, M.S. 8208
P.O. Box 2009
Oak Ridge, TN 37831-8208 U.S.A.
+1 865 574 6973

Chairman, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC34
http://www.y12.doe.gov/sgml/sc34/sc34oldhome.htm

------_=_NextPart_001_01C37190.9E1C9B10-- --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary-- From sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org Wed Sep 3 01:01:26 2003 From: sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org (Mary Nishikawa) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:01:26 +0900 Subject: [sc34wg3] Heads up! SC36 Liaison coming In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20030903084801.030cbce0@pop.fuchinobe.oilfield.slb.com> Hi Jim, >I just had a conversation with Frank Farrance, Chairman of JTC1/SC36, >which deals with applications of IT to education and training.. He's >wildly enthusiastic about Topc Maps and wants to promote their use in the >SC36 context; he wants to establish better liaison. > >He plans to discuss this at the next SC36 meeting, at a conference in >Korea, and at JTC1 (which meets in Singapore in November: anyone want to go?). Can you send me the details of the Singapore meeting? I may be able to attend. Lars Marius, Naito-san and I met with one of the Japan delegates of SC 36 last year and at that time and she was also very much interested in topic maps (I need to hunt down here name card). SC36 seems to be very active in Japan. I will see if I can attend one of the Japan sc36 meetings as a guest. As far as I can remember, they are working on standards such as SCORM for online training. They might be working on a controlled vocabulary for educational concepts. Cheers, Mary From sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org Wed Sep 3 03:41:49 2003 From: sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org (Mason, James David (MXM)) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:41:49 -0400 Subject: [sc34wg3] Heads up! SC36 Liaison coming Message-ID: If Frank and I declare a liaison between our two SCs, I can appoint you or anyone else an interim liaison representative (until we can get to a plenary to make it official), and then you can show up at SC36 functions. The details on the Singapore meeting are on the JTC1 Web Site, though your national body probably also has them. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Mary Nishikawa [mailto:nisikawa@fuchinobe.oilfield.slb.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 8:01 PM To: sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org; 'sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org' Cc: komachi@y-adagio.com Subject: Re: [sc34wg3] Heads up! SC36 Liaison coming Hi Jim, >I just had a conversation with Frank Farrance, Chairman of JTC1/SC36, >which deals with applications of IT to education and training.. He's >wildly enthusiastic about Topc Maps and wants to promote their use in the >SC36 context; he wants to establish better liaison. > >He plans to discuss this at the next SC36 meeting, at a conference in >Korea, and at JTC1 (which meets in Singapore in November: anyone want to go?). Can you send me the details of the Singapore meeting? I may be able to attend. Lars Marius, Naito-san and I met with one of the Japan delegates of SC 36 last year and at that time and she was also very much interested in topic maps (I need to hunt down here name card). SC36 seems to be very active in Japan. I will see if I can attend one of the Japan sc36 meetings as a guest. As far as I can remember, they are working on standards such as SCORM for online training. They might be working on a controlled vocabulary for educational concepts. Cheers, Mary _______________________________________________ sc34wg3 mailing list sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org http://www.isotopicmaps.org/mailman/listinfo/sc34wg3 From sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org Wed Sep 3 03:57:06 2003 From: sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org (Sam Hunting) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [sc34wg3] Heads up! SC36 Liaison coming In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Mason, James David (MXM) wrote: > Some of the things he's interested in sound very much like asking for the RM > in UML notation. Any takers? Jim-- Not sure whether travel to Singapore is necessary for this aspect of satisfying his "wild enthusiasm" about topic maps? Certainly a UML representation (why?) would seem a natural extension of some of SC34's current work on the RM. Interesting, and encouraging! > I expect to hear more from him soon. > > Jim > > James David Mason, Ph.D. > > Y-12 National Security Complex > Bldg. 9113, M.S. 8208 > P.O. Box 2009 > Oak Ridge, TN 37831-8208 U.S.A. > +1 865 574 6973 > > Chairman, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC34 > http://www.y12.doe.gov/sgml/sc34/sc34oldhome.htm > > > Sam Hunting eTopicality, Inc. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Co-editor: Draft ISO Reference Model for Topic Maps Topic map consulting and training: www.etopicality.com Free open source topic map tools: www.gooseworks.org XML Topic Maps: Creating and Using Topic Maps for the Web. Addison-Wesley, ISBN 0-201-74960-2. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org Thu Sep 4 22:37:31 2003 From: sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org (Robert Barta) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 07:37:31 +1000 Subject: [sc34wg3] Heads up! SC36 Liaison coming In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20030903084801.030cbce0@pop.fuchinobe.oilfield.slb.com> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20030903084801.030cbce0@pop.fuchinobe.oilfield.slb.com> Message-ID: <20030904213731.GI15216@namod.qld.bigpond.net.au> On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 09:01:26AM +0900, Mary Nishikawa wrote: > As far as I can remember, they are working on standards such as SCORM for > online training. They might be working on a controlled vocabulary for > educational concepts. Mary, If that is so, may I be kept in the loop? I have some plans circling around TMs and dotLRN http://dotlrn.mit.edu/ as a knowledge exchange platform. I gather they want to integrate SCORM at some point. Thx! \rho From sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org Fri Sep 5 16:57:19 2003 From: sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org (Lars Marius Garshol) Date: 05 Sep 2003 17:57:19 +0200 Subject: [sc34wg3] Heads up! SC36 Liaison coming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: * James David Mason | | I just had a conversation with Frank Farrance, Chairman of | JTC1/SC36, which deals with applications of IT to education and | training.. He's wildly enthusiastic about Topc Maps and wants to | promote their use in the SC36 context; he wants to establish better | liaison. This was very interesting. I'm right now in Vester=E5len in northern Norway where I've attended a seminar on topic maps in e-learning, and key players in this area in Norway are now very excited about. Among them are people in the ministry of education and the lead person behind a governmental project for standards in e-learning, and that guy is one of the Norwegian representatives to SC36... =20=20 | He plans to discuss this at the next SC36 meeting, at a conference | in Korea, and at JTC1 (which meets in Singapore in November: anyone | want to go?). Uh, well... =20=20 | Some of the things he's interested in sound very much like asking | for the RM in UML notation. Any takers? Sounds like we should convince him that what he wants is topic maps, and not some new thing. Also, I think people will want things like LOM (IEEE standard for learning object metadata, currently with no data model or interchange syntax) as a set of PSIs. I suggested the latter at the seminar here, and there was interest in the idea. In any case, it does sound like there are several things here worth following up, and it definitely does sound like we need to have a serious chat with the SC36 people. --=20 Lars Marius Garshol, Ontopian GSM: +47 98 21 55 50 From sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org Fri Sep 5 17:11:34 2003 From: sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org (Lars Marius Garshol) Date: 05 Sep 2003 18:11:34 +0200 Subject: [sc34wg3] Heads up! SC36 Liaison coming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: * Lars Marius Garshol |=20 | This was very interesting. I'm right now in Vester=E5len in northern | Norway where I've attended a seminar on topic maps in e-learning, and | key players in this area in Norway are now very excited about. Among Uh. The thing they are very excited about is topic maps. I guess I should have written that. :) | them are people in the ministry of education and the lead person | behind a governmental project for standards in e-learning, and that | guy is one of the Norwegian representatives to SC36... --=20 Lars Marius Garshol, Ontopian GSM: +47 98 21 55 50 From sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org Fri Sep 5 22:13:15 2003 From: sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org (Mason, James David (MXM)) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:13:15 -0400 Subject: [sc34wg3] Heads up! SC36 Liaison coming Message-ID: It is TMs he's interested in, not something new. It's just his = perspective (he's an old "standards professional") that makes him want what I call = the RM in UML. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Lars Marius Garshol [mailto:larsga@garshol.priv.no]=20 Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 11:57 AM To: sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org Subject: Re: [sc34wg3] Heads up! SC36 Liaison coming * James David Mason | | I just had a conversation with Frank Farrance, Chairman of JTC1/SC36, = | which deals with applications of IT to education and training.. He's=20 | wildly enthusiastic about Topc Maps and wants to promote their use in = | the SC36 context; he wants to establish better liaison. This was very interesting. I'm right now in Vester=E5len in northern = Norway where I've attended a seminar on topic maps in e-learning, and key = players in this area in Norway are now very excited about. Among them are = people in the ministry of education and the lead person behind a governmental = project for standards in e-learning, and that guy is one of the Norwegian representatives to SC36... =20 | He plans to discuss this at the next SC36 meeting, at a conference in = | Korea, and at JTC1 (which meets in Singapore in November: anyone want = | to go?). Uh, well... =20 | Some of the things he's interested in sound very much like asking for = | the RM in UML notation. Any takers? Sounds like we should convince him that what he wants is topic maps, = and not some new thing. Also, I think people will want things like LOM (IEEE standard for learning object metadata, currently with no data model or interchange syntax) as a set of PSIs. I suggested the latter at the = seminar here, and there was interest in the idea. In any case, it does sound like there are several things here worth following up, and it definitely does sound like we need to have a = serious chat with the SC36 people. --=20 Lars Marius Garshol, Ontopian GSM: +47 98 21 55 50 _______________________________________________ sc34wg3 mailing list sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org http://www.isotopicmaps.org/mailman/listinfo/sc34wg3 From sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org Sun Sep 7 07:56:09 2003 From: sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org (Robert Barta) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 16:56:09 +1000 Subject: [sc34wg3] FW: Proposal for Starter Content In-Reply-To: <3F50FCCC.3080509@open.ac.uk> References: <37A167B7D15A8446B6707EE5453BAF483CE9E1@sqlsvr.hq1.hedra.co.uk> <3F50FCCC.3080509@open.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20030907065609.GA6696@namod.qld.bigpond.net.au> On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 08:36:44PM +0100, Murray Altheim wrote: > If there aren't any IPR issues and there is a base URL available, > I'm happy to do this work, BTW. I'm looking for all sorts of > upper ontologies that my target audience (fiction and nonfiction > writers) can use as classification schemes. I'd like to use Dewey, > but can't because of copyright (apparently). In case someone wants to look at this through TM-glasses, I have converted the subtype relationships into TM as provided by Matthew. It is a rather naive translation, ignoring components and constraints completely: http://astma.it.bond.edu.au/ If you have ideas about a more direct translation into TMs, please let me know. \rho From sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org Sun Sep 7 16:18:50 2003 From: sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org (Murray Altheim) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 16:18:50 +0100 Subject: [sc34wg3] FW: Proposal for Starter Content In-Reply-To: <20030907065609.GA6696@namod.qld.bigpond.net.au> References: <37A167B7D15A8446B6707EE5453BAF483CE9E1@sqlsvr.hq1.hedra.co.uk> <3F50FCCC.3080509@open.ac.uk> <20030907065609.GA6696@namod.qld.bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <3F5B4C5A.5060201@open.ac.uk> Robert Barta wrote: > On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 08:36:44PM +0100, Murray Altheim wrote: > >>If there aren't any IPR issues and there is a base URL available, >>I'm happy to do this work, BTW. I'm looking for all sorts of >>upper ontologies that my target audience (fiction and nonfiction >>writers) can use as classification schemes. I'd like to use Dewey, >>but can't because of copyright (apparently). > > > In case someone wants to look at this through TM-glasses, I have > converted the subtype relationships into TM as provided by Matthew. It > is a rather naive translation, ignoring components and constraints > completely: > > http://astma.it.bond.edu.au/ > > If you have ideas about a more direct translation into TMs, please > let me know. Robert, Interesting you'd tackle this one -- I was just starting to figure out how to do the same things. Are you willing to re-distribute the XTM document? I'm actually only interested in the taxonomic structure of ISO 15926 at this point anyway, so it suits my purposes. The only thing I'd probably want that I'm *guessing* you might not have done, is to have the topics' subject identity pointing at the original web pages (as documentation). This was the reason I'd asked earlier if there was to be a canonical base URI for the document that could serve that purpose... Nice job! Murray ........................................................................... Murray Altheim http://kmi.open.ac.uk/people/murray/ Knowledge Media Institute The Open University, Milton Keynes, Bucks, MK7 6AA, UK . "The current and future international political environment severely constrains this country's ability to conduct long-range strike missions." -- DARPA http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3035332.stm From sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org Thu Sep 11 09:12:18 2003 From: sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org (Ann Wrightson) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:12:18 +0100 Subject: [sc34wg3] FW: Proposal for Starter Content Message-ID: <37A167B7D15A8446B6707EE5453BAF484A92B0@sqlsvr.hq1.hedra.co.uk> Mary, I think that you should contact Matthew West and discuss it with him, as there is related work he is involved in, and there may be scope for collaboration/co-ordination rather than yet another committee. Regards, Ann W. -----Original Message----- From: Mary Nishikawa [mailto:nisikawa@fuchinobe.oilfield.slb.com]=20 Sent: 29 August 2003 02:03 To: sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org Cc: tm-pubsubj@lists.oasis-open.org; tm-pubsubj-comment@lists.oasis-open.org; komachi@y-adagio.com Subject: RE: [sc34wg3] FW: Proposal for Starter Content I was thinking that we need to work with something concrete like this for=20 an OASIS committee or maybe some join project with this ISO committee. I think that there would be lots of interest in an upper ontology TC or a=20 collaboration with this ISO committee. If anyone is interested, please=20 contact me. -- Mary *Ann W. Yes - this is v. well founded work that has a wide range of >applicability across many industries. *Jim >Might this be a source for PSIs? > > >-----Original Message----- >From: West, Matthew R SITI-ITPSIE [mailto:matthew.west@shell.com] >Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:19 AM >To: Standard-Upper-Ontology (E-mail) >Subject: SUO: Proposal for Starter Content > > > >Dear Colleagues, > >You will be aware that I have been invovled in developing the EPISTLE=20 >Core Model, a data model that constitutes a 4 dimensional upper=20 >ontology, which is being standardised as ISO 15926-2. This has now=20 >reached the stage of being published for its Final Draft International=20 >Standard ballot. > >I would therefore like to take this opportunity to propose it as=20 >starter content for the Standard Upper Ontology. > >The full document will be available shortly from your local >(national) standards body or ISO. 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Martin From sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org Wed Sep 17 10:15:23 2003 From: sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org (Robert Barta) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:15:23 +1000 Subject: [sc34wg3] FW: Proposal for Starter Content In-Reply-To: <3F5B4C5A.5060201@open.ac.uk> References: <37A167B7D15A8446B6707EE5453BAF483CE9E1@sqlsvr.hq1.hedra.co.uk> <3F50FCCC.3080509@open.ac.uk> <20030907065609.GA6696@namod.qld.bigpond.net.au> <3F5B4C5A.5060201@open.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20030917091523.GI31067@namod.qld.bigpond.net.au> On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 04:18:50PM +0100, Murray Altheim wrote: > Robert Barta wrote: > >In case someone wants to look at this through TM-glasses, I have > >converted the subtype relationships into TM as provided by Matthew. It > >is a rather naive translation, ignoring components and constraints > >completely: > > > > http://astma.it.bond.edu.au/ > Interesting you'd tackle this one -- I was just starting to figure out > how to do the same things. Are you willing to re-distribute the XTM > document? Of course! I did not want to post the longish URL of the (automatically generated) URL to the mailing list. They have a tendency to be broken onto several lines. Here it is (per the astma website): http://astma.it.bond.edu.au/cvt/index.mc?format=on&action=download&atmurl=http://astma.it.bond.edu.au/examples/WG3-N1288.atm Plz, allow a couple of secs for the conversion. > I'm actually only interested in the taxonomic structure of ISO 15926 at this > point anyway, so it suits my purposes. The only thing I'd probably want that > I'm *guessing* you might not have done, is to have the topics' subject > identity pointing at the original web pages (as documentation). Right. I'll put that onto my todo list. (Allow for some delay as I am distracted by this daytime job I have :-) \rho From sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org Wed Sep 17 12:59:08 2003 From: sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org (Murray Altheim) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:59:08 +0100 Subject: [sc34wg3] FW: Proposal for Starter Content In-Reply-To: <20030917091523.GI31067@namod.qld.bigpond.net.au> References: <37A167B7D15A8446B6707EE5453BAF483CE9E1@sqlsvr.hq1.hedra.co.uk> <3F50FCCC.3080509@open.ac.uk> <20030907065609.GA6696@namod.qld.bigpond.net.au> <3F5B4C5A.5060201@open.ac.uk> <20030917091523.GI31067@namod.qld.bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <3F684C8C.9030409@open.ac.uk> Robert Barta wrote: > On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 04:18:50PM +0100, Murray Altheim wrote: [...] >>I'm actually only interested in the taxonomic structure of ISO 15926 at this >>point anyway, so it suits my purposes. The only thing I'd probably want that >>I'm *guessing* you might not have done, is to have the topics' subject >>identity pointing at the original web pages (as documentation). > > Right. I'll put that onto my todo list. (Allow for some delay as I am > distracted by this daytime job I have :-) Despite the fact that when I crack the whip people usually get moving, :-) I was actually commenting as much on the fact that we don't yet *have* a stable set of URLs to use as subject identifiers. The only problems I had with the file was the bogus 'xlink:href' attribute on , and the lack of topics for the "#xtm-psi-*" references. I added those and the thing popped up just fine in Ceryle. Here's a screen shot: http://www.altheim.com/ceryle/img/iso15926-1.png (big image warning) Murray ........................................................................... Murray Altheim http://kmi.open.ac.uk/people/murray/ Knowledge Media Institute The Open University, Milton Keynes, Bucks, MK7 6AA, UK . 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