[sc34wg3] Almost arbitrary markup in resourceData

[Patrick Durusau]

Eric,

Freese, Eric D. (LNG-DAY) wrote:
> As I said (when the 3rd time was the charm) - No, XHTML is not enough for my
> requirements because we want to use full (real) XML with our own semantic
> markup.  I doubt XHTML would even meet a 20% usefulness level for us.
> Anyone else?
> 
+1 on full XML. XHTML is simply too limiting.

Do think there needs to be a mechanism by which I can indicate what is 
required to make sense of the data. Namespaces carry their own problems 
and I would not suggest them unless we cannot find an acceptable 
alternative.

Suggestion: Let's discuss what we want to do, separate and apart from 
current solutions and then evaluate the pluses and minuses of any 
proposed solution. Prefer that over starting from a solution and making 
our needs fit it.

Hope you are having a great day!

Patrick

> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: sc34wg3-admin@isotopicmaps.org
>>[mailto:sc34wg3-admin@isotopicmaps.org]On Behalf Of Murray Altheim
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:58 AM
>>To: sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org
>>Subject: Re: [sc34wg3] Almost arbitrary markup in resourceData
>>
>>
>>Patrick Durusau wrote:
>>
>>>Eric,
>>>
>>>Freese, Eric D. (LNG-DAY) wrote:
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>I am speaking from the front lines of the user community, 
>>>
>>not the tool
>>
>>>>vendor community, not the acedemic community.  I'm claiming 
>>>
>>my stake as part
>>
>>>>of the target market - the people who want to make money 
>>>
>>using the tools and
>>
>>>>standard as opposed to those implementing or studying.  
>>>
>>>
>>>Ouch! Or as Charley Brown would say, "He nicked me with a nyah!" ;-)
>>>
>>>The academic community has suffered at the hands of 
>>
>>standards bodies 
>>
>>>that prefer texts that are dumbed down until they meet 
>>
>>capricious limits 
>>
>>>on parsing/processing. Well, the users in the academic 
>>
>>community at any 
>>
>>>rate.
>>>
>>>I think Eric's point is well taken and the various parts of 
>>
>>the topic 
>>
>>>map standard need to take it into account. Standards that insure 
>>>information is interchangeable but that do not meet the 
>>
>>needs of users 
>>
>>>are interesting, but irrelevant.
>>>
>>>As Eric and others have suggested, we are not faced with 
>>
>>choosing either 
>>
>>>interchange or usefulness. Both are possible in the topic 
>>
>>maps standard, 
>>
>>>but only if we show some imagination and ingenuity in devising a 
>>>solution that meets both requirements. To choose one 
>>
>>without the other 
>>
>>>is a recipe for failure.
>>
>>Well, the sixth time is a charm:  would the XHTML+XTM DTD meet the
>>80/20 point? That's the question. Can we avoid arbitrary markup by
>>providing a specific hybrid that solves the problem for 80% of the
>>users who need extended abilities? As I've said, I'm even willing
>>to do that work if it means avoiding arbitrary markup in a standard,
>>which I will continue to maintain is a nonsequitor.
>>
>>Murray
>>
>>..............................................................
>>.............
>>Murray Altheim                         
>>http://kmi.open.ac.uk/people/murray/
>>Knowledge Media Institute
>>The Open University, Milton Keynes, Bucks, MK7 6AA, UK        
>>            .
>>
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>>   costs of war on Iraq, the report estimates that between 22,000 and
>>   55,000 people - mainly Iraqi soldiers and civilians - died 
>>as a direct
>>   result of the war.
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Patrick Durusau
Director of Research and Development
Society of Biblical Literature
Patrick.Durusau@sbl-site.org
Chair, V1 - Text Processing: Office and Publishing Systems Interface
Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model

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