[sc34wg3] Topic Maps land and SAM land

[Sam Hunting]

> I don't think there is an issue here - my choice of words was intended
> to help move an apparent block in understanding, and not as part of a
> debate on the wording of the standard. We already know we need a
> glossary ;-)
> 

>:-( Me too, actually, as far as "apparent block to understanding."

I don't take the notion represented by the words "data model" as a given
or obvious -- see e.g John Sowa at:
  
    http://mars.virtual-earth.de/pipermail/cg/2001q3/003844.html

and at:

   http://mars.virtual-earth.de/pipermail/cg/2001q3/003835.html

I note also that my request for a citation for an agreed-upon definition
of "metamodel" has gone unanswered as well. Of course, maybe the word is
only there for marketing purposes, so I shouldn't concern myself with it.

My requests should be easy to fulfill, yes? If the terms are indeed
agreed-upon and well-understood? 

> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Hunting [mailto:shunting@etopicality.com] 
> Sent: 12 February 2003 16:38
> To: sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org
> Subject: RE: [sc34wg3] Topic Maps land and SAM land
> 
> 
> > Jan,
> > 
> > Maybe someone else's words may communicate this better to you:
> > 
> > SAM is *not* based on the XML infoset.
> > 
> > Rather:
> > 
> > SAM uses a similar methodology to that used to define the XML infoset,
> 
> > to create a (largely, apart from merging) process-neutral data model.
> 
> The editor's draft says:
> 
> "The metamodel used in this document is the same as that used by the XML
> Information Set [infoset]. "
> 
> Not sure what "methodology" means in this context. "methodolody" == "use
> the same metamodel"?
> 
> Of course, after our discussion of "metamodel" and it's
> [non-]obviousness, I went to the InfoSet specification to find a
> definition of the term, and failed.
> 
> > SAM is a data model
> 
> Out of curiousity, is the W3C InfoSet a data model?
> 
> 
> > 
> > Ann W.
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jan Algermissen [mailto:algermissen@acm.org]
> > Sent: 11 February 2003 23:18
> > To: sc34wg3@isotopicmaps.org
> > Subject: Re: [sc34wg3] Topic Maps land and SAM land
> > 
> > 
> > Lars Marius Garshol wrote:
> > 
> > > Now I'm surprised again: why do you say "a syntax processing model 
> > > of
> > > a TM"? Where does syntax enter the picture?
> > 
> > The current official draft of the SAM is based on XML infoset. And XML
> 
> > infoset is what the current SAM's underlying processing model is. 
> > Without such a thing, it is impossible to make any sense of a 
> > processed syntax.
> > 
> > Suppose we wanted to define the SAM in RM terms, it would absolutely 
> > make sense to me to still base the processing model for XTM on XML 
> > infoset.
> > 
> > 
> > Jan
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > --
> > > Lars Marius Garshol, Ontopian         <URL: http://www.ontopia.net >
> > > GSM: +47 98 21 55 50                  <URL:
> http://www.garshol.priv.no
> > >
> > > 
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> > 
> > 
> 
> Sam Hunting
> eTopicality, Inc.
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