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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Subject-Object-Verb</span><span lang=EN-US>
order is just one issue, but not the major one. I don’t want get into
that argument here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I just wanted to point out that naturalness
in one culture may be awkwardness in other different culture.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>That is why I advocate a kind of
culture-neutral notation with semicolon. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>If one desperately need it, and the other
can tolerate with it, well, IMHO, I would go with it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>If you want an explanation of why it is
awkward, not just because of word order, please let me know.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I can give you a 5 min lecture :) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Malgun Gothic";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Gulim;
color:#1F497D'>---<br>
Jaeho Lee<br>
The University of Seoul<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>
sc34wg3-bounces@isotopicmaps.org [mailto:sc34wg3-bounces@isotopicmaps.org] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Xuan Baldauf<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 31, 2008 6:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion of ISO/IEC 13250 Topic Maps<br>
<b>Cc:</b> rho@devc.at<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [sc34wg3] CTM: Realistic use cases or toy examples?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Jaeho Lee wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=EN-US>[...]<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>If the topic maps on the left column in the comparison list are written, for<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span
lang=EN-US>example in Korean, it would be really cryptic because it doesn't give enough<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span
lang=EN-US>clue to distinguish between associations and topics.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span
lang=EN-US>To me and probably to people in other cultures, the left column is HORRIFIC<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span
lang=EN-US>to read.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>Structural boundaries such as semi-colons are definitely needed for<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span
lang=EN-US>readability, IMHO, even in English.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span
lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I think your point of cultural bias
regarding what makes a language readable is quite valid. However, if
there is only one person telling some language instance is horrific to read, it
is indistinguishable from personal bias. ;-) So it would be nice if we could
gather input from more people with non-Germanic cultural background (i.e.
Japanese? Chinese? ).<br>
<br>
Nevertheless, do you think, in your own opinion, that some indentation-standard
(though not mandatory, but customary) like<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=EN-US>john<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US> isa singer<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span
lang=EN-US> isa guitarist .<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>provides enough structure?<br>
<br>
As Korean is mainly a Subject-Object-Verb-Language AFAIK, would<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=EN-US>john<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US> singer isa<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span
lang=EN-US> guitarist isa .<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>look better?<br>
<br>
I'm asking this to find out whether it is possible at all to maximize CTM
usability while being as far as culture-neutral as possible, or whether there
exist multiple usability maximums, one for each culture, which compete against
each other in such a way that it would be more wise to just choose one of these
usability maximums, even if this means that culture-neutrality is grossly not
achieved. If culture-neutrality is not achievable (while achieving other good
CTM properties) in principle, there is not much point in argueing in favor of a
specific cultural POV, except when it comes to increasing some part of the CTM
userbase at cost of a smaller decrease at some other parts of the CTM userbase
(i.e. maybe we should have a lot of Chinese-like syntax if we expect a lot of
CTM authors being from a Chinese cultural background).<br>
<br>
<br>
ciao,<br>
Xuân.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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